projekts:
ashley wrote:
what do you think about this?
jt wrote:
looks like fun, can i pretend that the stuff i have been spending years on was done in a month?
ashley wrote:
no,
i was wondering if you would be interested in ‘collaborating’ on
something, since you are finished with birnbeck.i only casually perused the archives for the previous events, but the
idea of just picking something that one already does, then doing it 31
times seems lame. ie, ‘photograph a day’ or ’sketch of my friend a
day’, are bullshit and don’t teach us anything about the passage of
time, or approaching the same problem w/ multiple strategies. i had
some ideas along these lines, but they would not be collaborative, like
maybe finding objects in the street and constructing a chair, or
copulating w/ a different person every day (need more collaborators),
or removing a different piece of a machine (bike?) and still having it
function, or calling someone an ‘limber dicked cocksucker/cunt’ in
public every day of the month and noting the results.considering what we already do, and maybe
celebrating/pushing/publicizing that, i thought we might start each day
with an image (photograph, drawring, bric-a-brac), then swap it back
and forth, each time making usual changes. perhaps we can set out 6 or
7 (i wasn’t in that kulper studio), types of actions we can take
(erasure, 31 marks,maybe we could have a goal in mind for each day/image (and the month),
like a each day is a room for a 31-bed motel, or, we can just see
where the pix take us and produce some visual gibberish.
what are your thoughts?
jt wrote:
before i read the rest of the email i wish to declare that i am not finished with birnbeck, the section i am working on is on my table… i have just chosen to focus on writing for a little bit
ashley wrote:
i didn’t finish the email, anyway
‘drawring’ is supposed to be ‘drawing’and ‘types of actions we can take (erasure, 31 marks,’
is supposed to be ‘types of actions we can take (erasure, 31 marks,
invasions, labeling, other stuff like that)
jt wrote:
hail!!! let me think about it, i am game though…not to make you jealous, but for our office slide show the past two years matt weaver and i (i think you met him?) have been doing some tennis, albeit more pictorial
jt wrote:
i am game, see follow up email
ashley wrote:
also, i thought about standing in the gallery w/ a lead holder or brush, and making one mark on the wall each day, but perry or sol lewitt have probably done that?i just want to do something that proves that shit like the following
are dumb and an insult to ‘art’:http://artclash.com/uploads/images/DSCF0727.JPG
http://artclash.com/uploads/images/DSCF0699.JPG
http://artclash.com/uploads/images/DSCF0701.JPG
ok, the last one is alright, b/c it stole an idea i had for a fanzine,
but it still isn’t ‘art’
jt wrote:
the last one was the worst?!?!!! “a contour drawing a day” or “i read ‘drawing on the right side of the brain’ in december and drew this in january”… i dont think i could collaborate if it means living in philadelphia for a month
ashley wrote:
hmm, i’m not jealous, but if you’ve already covered this issue, then we can come up w/ something else. i don’t really know how else to work together on something; we’ve always failed to do something similar in the in the past. perhaps if we skip the ps tennis thing, maybe we introduce written instructions, ie, each morning you send me a set of actions to take on an image or object? or i send them to you? maybe we engage in some textual tennis? i doubt it. i am still warm to the idea of a ‘motel room a day’ or ‘house a day’. did perry or coy have a fancy word for ‘brainstorming’?
also, i wouldn’t want to present that pic w/ tom selleck, etc.
jt wrote:
i think the ps tennis is a bit beat to be honest, the instructions sound interesting, tell me about ‘a house a day’? i think pk would call this “fast twitch”? i had thought when i was writing last night that i would benefit from a writing collaboration with you as your language is less useless than mine, but i dont suspect you have read anything i have sent you
ashley wrote:
i never read that book. i tried to open up a discussion about long distance collaboration, and you responded w/ some goofy political cartoon that did not frighten me at all.don’t come to phila, then! more trim for me at the opening:
http://artclash.com/uploads/images/DSCF0786.JPG
jt wrote:
all we do is long distance collaboration! jc… i want to do this with you so dont get your hairshirt in a ruffle
ashley wrote:
i guess i picked that contour dwg b/c i had just seen this:
http://artclash.com/uploads/images/DSCF0674.JPG
jt wrote:
why would you even bother?
ashley wrote:
that’s what i want us to say when we are interviewed; if you are already drawing shit like that, what have you learned/taught after doing it 31 times? although, maybe those are the first 31 dwgs that phe ever did in phe’s life? i think there are a lot more ‘artists’ around here than in atlanta; as a result, there is more awful shit, everywhere.
jt wrote:
in coffeeshops?
ashley wrote:
hmm, i don’t write anymore, b/c i don’t have anything to impart to others. the house/room-a-day would likely involve some ps tennis, but it would be more along the lines of some marquis stuff, like your plains homes than the witty tennis items, such as ‘mind meld’. the instructions could be folded into that, so that we know that each days result will be a ‘house’ rather than just a messy collage that we declare ‘art’. in my architectural career, i still haven’t topped my washingtonton monument.i only read your texts that are clearly about girls who aren’t your wife. i don’t know how a writing collaboration would go. would it be some dada bs were we cut up or blot out each other’s text, or would it be straight up editing? maybe one of us sets up a scene, and the other (not me!) concurrently writes dialogue. what do we have at the end, a zine or something? i fear that will make us look like everyone else.
maybe we can write some software; do you remember that book feature on drupal
- the content manager i originally installed for ct? i wish we had investigated that. i guess we could try some wiki, but i bet we would cheat on the xxxx-a-day aspect.
jt wrote:
i am fine with the house a day, it would be exterior shots i suppose? i guess we could take turns sending scenarios, one day you would send a background and a prompt and i would do the intervention… and vice versa, so we each get a day off so to speak… there might be a way to make it more our work together more integral rather than alternating… i dont plan to do any 3d modeling though.
jt wrote:
what texts about girls? the plats thing?i have always wondered how authors write books together, in junior high i read a book by stephen kind and peter straub, it was a very conventional novel, i dont know how you would do that… i can see something like my ‘chase scenes’ being collaborative
http://www.ftground.net/arch/chase.pdf
but again that becomes alternating rather than integral…
ashley wrote:
exterior shots, or plans, axons, interior vignettes…whatever! i don’t know about getting a day off, i figured we still might send some things back and forth. i thought they might be something akin to some of the roosevelt images, rather than just a master sketch on a photo, like corb might make after peeping a site for 15 minutes. i am open, though. we can still alternate who starts, or who crafts the program of the house. ‘argento house’, ’scale house’, ‘cat house’, ‘brick shit house’, etc. you don’t have to build any models; i guess we can do the rest in revit
jt wrote:
ok, well i will think about it some more, we start on the 1st?
jt wrote:
what are we doing for this january thing… can we start now, im bored…
ashley wrote:
you can’t start now, that would be cheating.i’ve started making a list of ‘houses’ (clients, narrative, or theme) and potential sites
i have also wondered if we should set out limits or requirements for each ‘house’,
for demonstration purposes?
ie, a bedroom and kitchen, or there must be 1 plan that shows a closet or a toilet (unless this conflicts w/ a house’s program).
or, “you have to see the fireplace when you open the front door”
i would be interested i having some form of a recognizable drawing for the laymen,
rather than the usual smeared ink on trash and a photograph of ash in a spaceship with the caption ‘a house’
jt wrote:
can i see your list so far?
ashley wrote:
no!!
jt wrote:
i thought we were collaborating?
ashley wrote:
you will get #1 on the list on 01/01/08
jt wrote:
so you are making the list and i am designing all the houses?
ashley wrote:
i thought you wanted to trade off;
so i guess you will have a list, or something similar, too?i figure that in a day, one of us will send the house name/schema, along with a couple of pieces of fodder (photo of site, or client’s belongings, diary page).
the recipient will charette a bit, then send back some design moves, or rfi or wtf.
we can send it back and forth a couple/few times during the day/night, then at some point we cut it off, and one of us drafts up a plan (or something) and/or otherwise formats the work into a presentation system for the 31 houses.
the end.so you don’t have to ‘design’ all the houses; i figured it would be a co-effort?
switching off the start-up points was your idea, if you would prefer to generate all or the list or none of it, i am open
i figured that the names of the houses would be somewhat ambiguous, like the already mentioned ’scale house’; i don’t know if that one will make the cut
there might not be a name; there could be ‘the house the german tourist built for his kidnapped slaves, before he won the lottery and converted to islam’
if you must know, one of my list is the ‘barker house’
jt wrote:
this sounds like an incredible amount of work
ashley wrote:
do you have something else to do in january?
i thought you were bored
jt wrote:
no, but i have tried to do one a day things before, and even the most insignificant one a day task can get overwhelming, i guess all we can do is try?
ashley wrote:
hmmhow would you approach this thing?
jt wrote:
i dont know, i think the most useful thing might be to develop representational parameters? i think all of your context will give the thing its pith, but i think developing some frames and aesthetics might liberate the daunting task of actualizing each problem… should we be discussing this on sisyphean?
ashley wrote:
i don’t know, yet; i figured we could post this on the site on the 1st or something.my context?
should i/we script that before hand?
jt wrote:
your context meaning the scenarios you are setting up… are you writing 16 and i will write 15…i think we should script some basic representational framework before we start, it could be as simple as an image size…
ashley wrote:
ok, i guess that is what i was hinting at earlier, re: each ‘day’ has to have a toilet in it.
i meant that we should determine that it will be a free for all, with whatever goulash we have at the end of the day labeled ‘house’,
or if we require a set number of images/dwgs that are a certain size for final presentation.
i would be willing to do the opposite of what you had us do for moda07,
which would be, for example, to plan on having, for each day:
an 8×10 printed image, card w/ ‘description’, 2 4×6 fodder images, printed scaled plan, each in a package that i can affix to the wall in 15 minutes to 2 hours, alone.
unless you and your parents are coming up for the showi don’t want to hand draught 31 floor plans in a month
jt wrote:
> an 8×10 printed image, card w/ ‘description’, 2 4×6 fodder images,
> printed scaled plan,ok!
ashley wrote:
that was just an example!
are we nailed to it?
jt wrote:
i dont guess so, i might be doing some hand drawn stuff, i guess i can mail that all to you at the end…
am i supposed to be writing scenarios?
ashley wrote:
your hand drawn stuff has to be scanned or otherwise formated into the final presentation framework by the end of each day, whatever that may be
are you still pushing for the system where one person writes a story and the other ‘designs a house’ alone?
you can write your scenarios now, or you can wait until the nights before
i’ll tell you right now, my scenarios will be between two (2) and thirty (30) words, and one of those words will be ‘house’.
i might be fun if the scenario was what we were collaborating on, as well, but i understand you want to keep the amount of work to a minimum.one idea would be to start the day by sending the house schema + two fodder images,
where by schema, i mean: a one word title, or description of the client’s work, or a movie we once saw, or a freely associated sketch, or a massacre that took place on an indian burial ground where the house is now sited.
and by ‘two fodder images’, i mean: site photos, or a map, or a screen shot, or or text-as-image, that is cropped to previously set dimensions. (two of them)
jt wrote:
so the final output will be 100% digital?
do the fodder images go into the 8×10?
ashley wrote:
hmm,
i imagined that the fodder images would be incorporated: layered/collaged/traced into the ‘8×10′,
wtf that is
if you want to produce some eyewash, sensory overload,
you can just run a bunch of ps filters and brushes over the fodder and blow it up to the final size,
or, you can put the fodder in a small corner and plop a floor plan over it.
it isn’t certain;
i just had this notion of the final presentation having the three (or so) things that were sent
pinned up over the day’s result.if you want to have a non-digital component, i am open to it;
i would like to have some format for that shit, too,
maybe it is all on the same material and same size,
so what ever you are doing, i’ll do one up here?
then you mail me your set?
it seems like less ‘collaboration’ on the work is possible that way?
also, i am afraid you will just produce 1 piece of work in 16 parts,
if i am not able to cut you off from it
jt wrote:
ok, im done with my scenarios
ashley wrote:
jx, are they all taken from those cat pix?
jt wrote:
haha! close! they are just names at the moment, i will flesh out some of them while i am on vacation
ashley wrote:
jx. don’t let me interrupt that!
are you going to fl? or dacula?
roma?
jt wrote:
florida, are you coming thissa way?
ashley wrote:
it’s unlikely
jt wrote:
you are going to miss “the thing”!!!!!!
ashley wrote:
i’ll be too busy trying not to kill myself
jt wrote:
i see!!!
ashley wrote:
the only reason i’ll want to live is to hear you tell me how an xmas of sitting in an easy chair by a roaring fire w/ family, reading a stack of new texts whilst drinking soy nog and spiced cider is so much less kingly than walking alone to 50th street to see if satellite is open xmas morning.
jt wrote:
i must say that your description is pretty much on the mark… i also hope to get a good chunk of writing done on my novel
good luck with satellite!
ashley wrote:
gee, i hope you don’t run out of cheerios when the stores are closed, dikk!!
jt wrote:
the only cereal i eat is kamut flakes
ashley wrote:
i’m not clicking that; i know what cereal is.
do a search for ‘bulk oats’ or ‘brown rice’ to find my likely xmas breakfast.
jt wrote:
oh, i wont be eating that christmas morning, my family cooks tofu scramble, natures sausage, and home fries, whilst i squeeze fresh orange juice…
ashley wrote:
ok, i rescind my statement about needing to wait for your xmas report
jt wrote:
you wouldnt dare leave me with 31 houses to design all by myself…
ashley wrote:
ugh, just forget i mentioned anything about xmas to you
jt wrote:
if you mention something about the fresh prince i will probably forget all about it, i am obsessed with him
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