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house one - née house 09 - hider-in-the houseon january 9th, 2008, the work.group developed a schema for a dwelling, with components listed here, for a married couple and one creep.
the following materials were produced to represent the design:
plan.
section perspective.
axonometric.
axonometric.
exploded axonometric.
as built.
as built.
tagged: 31houses, 5houses, design-development
does this house need a dangerous supplement, or is gary busey peering from the ventilation registers enough?
well, in the drawings that i did, the dangerous supplement would be a parallel dwelling for busey that is relatively undetectable from outside the house. it occurs in the attic (obviously), but also in thickened walls that come down into the house. so i guess the dangerous supplement is to determine what the program for busey’s space is. i would suggest a wetbar as one of the components.
wet bar? who is he portraying, redmond barry?! does he have a mistress, too?
i haven’t seen anything w/ gary busey except for ’speed’; maybe he needs a shooting range? free weights?
you havent seen ‘mother night’? i assume he is a drunk. maybe he just needs a flat surface to squirt mustard onto so he can dip his veggie dogs?
was he in ‘mother night’? i thought that was john goodman. what’s the one with patrick swayze and the guy from rhcp (not flea)?
does he have a kitchen in there - a grill or hibachi? or does he cook his dogs on a bent coat hanger under the family’s gas water heater?
i think you are thinking of ‘point break.’ nick nolte was in that. i guess it would be more creative for him to bogart resources from the house rather than just have another whole house inside there.
wait, was humphrey bogart in that ‘point break’?!
i think josh frank would just filch drinks from the family’s liquor cabinet. perhaps his supplement could be something that the family would not have in a house - a pet hobby of his (apart from stealing kmorton’s thongs)?
as drawn in the section, the hider’s space looks like it would be a lot of fun for kitty cats.
ok, i’m concerned about the litter situation; i guess they could skulk from the hider-wall and shit in the garcia-morton cats’ box.
fair enough. so can you tell me about the content of the drawings you produced, young man?
well, my drawings were hardlines of what i believed you were representing with your plan, and especially your section perspective. when the exploded axon is reassembled, the ’solids’ are the spaces inhabited by the family, and the various hollows and entries are where jfrank navigates to spy.
what about all the sticks coming off of the volumes in the exploded?
i just cant see them in the massing study. are they driven into the earth?
ok. i think the house should be clad with a climbable surface to facilitate realization of this image. just throwing that out there.
can you think of any precedents, either cinematic, architectural, or whatever, where you have the false spaces that are not apparent to the occupant? i know ‘deep red hatchet murders’ has a good one. can you see a window from the outside into that space?
can you see a window from the outside into that space?
in ‘deep red’? i don’t think so; he climbs up the exterior and chops a hole into the wall, but i think he falls before he can see inside the room? stand by.
no! you can’t see into the corpse room from the outside. dhemmings only discovers it after he sees and old photo.
i’ll think about cinematic or literary examples of hidden spaces; it seems as though there should be a plethora of them, as it is every writer’s phantasy to escape into the walls after a murder or to peep on people as they change clothes - see: ‘porky’s’
i think the house should be clad with a climbable surface to facilitate realization of this image. just throwing that out there.
hmm, so that the hider has his own habitat; the ‘axon’ should not be the entire house, but is just the spaces of the family, which is usually enveloped by the hider’s house (currently stripped away).
for the complete house, imagine the axon dipped into wax.
the ‘axon’ should not be the entire house
that was my next question.
i remember ‘evil dead II’ having an astonishing amount of crawlspace-type areas for such a small structure.
i already thought of that! both the fruit cellar seemed enormous, and ashley ran through something like two dozen rooms when we see him being chased through the cabin from the evil dead’s point of view.
i think the notion of spaces being larger on the interior than the exterior would have you believe is common? they pull that ‘mission to mars’, but i know it has been used in some good movies, too.
then of course, there is this.
But while operating on Bhagat, Mehta saw something he had never encountered. As he cut deeper into Bhagat’s stomach, gallons of fluid spilled out — and then something extraordinary happened.
“To my surprise and horror, I could shake hands with somebody inside,” he said. “It was a bit shocking for me.”
spaces being larger on the interior than the exterior
i have two bedrooms in my house that butt each other. the wall between them is a thickened space with closets but i am not convinced that the closets occupy the whole width of the wall.
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i think the above condition more successfully conceals the presence of the hider than the barcelona pavilion plan up at the top because there is a reason for the wall to be thick but the confusion of accessing the spaces and assessing their size from separate rooms makes you not think too much about whether the whole volume is being used. in the barcelona pavilion plan you would just wonder wtf you had a bunch of thick walls. i guess they could be made of some kind of stone veneer that looks like it is cyclopean masonry but is actually only 4″ thick.
wtf?!!
“To my surprise and horror, I could shake hands with somebody inside”
in the barcelona pavilion plan you would just wonder wtf you had a bunch of thick walls. i guess they could be made of some kind of stone veneer that looks like it is cyclopean masonry but is actually only 4″ thick.
that sounds like what flw has done at the kaufman residence.
the stone walls are very thick; i assume the stone is just facing on hollow compartments.
yes that is the south end of my house.
i assume that wright needed those thick walls for 2 reasons:
1. to hold down the cantilevers.
2. to bring a sense of balance to the openness of the creek side.
i guess those are good excuses? where is our site? does it afford us the same sort of opportunities?
btw, despite the repeated mention of fallingwater, i disavow flw as an influence on any of my contributions to the work.group, except for maybe deckard’s apt in ‘blade runner’, or that marin county bulding in ‘gattaca’, or the johnson wax bldg, or that arch at the unitarian church somewhere, or possibly the 12″ brick.
i thought your bedroom door was directly across the hall from your study/office/studio door.
where is our site? does it afford us the same sort of opportunities?
our site is apparently in someone’s local neighborhood. is that decatur? i don’t think such qualities appear there - maybe sweetwater creek? do you know where they busey vehicle takes place? i guess that gjosh, km, and vlado still live in los angeles. other than that, those piles might work in venice.
1. to hold down the cantilevers.
those cantilevers are effed, even after they ‘fixed’ them a couple of years ago.
peep out the anchors in the stone…i’m unconvinced!
i thought your bedroom door was directly across the hall from your study/office/studio door.
ill look when i get home.
my preferred flw bldg, i think it was built in the late 1990s.
i reckon the house should be in los angeles then. i cant find out where the film took place; god forbid i would watch it again.
ill look when i get home.
in the meantime, i will check my sketches and photos.
my preferred flw bldg, i think it was built in the late 1990s.
i would also like to see his mile-high skyscraper built, mainly b/c it is a mile high.
i reckon the house should be in los angeles then
ok! the flatlands? the hills? on the site of an existing house (hollyhock)? do we have any site photos of that city?
in the meantime, i will check my sketches and photos.
are you living between my closets?!?!
i would also like to see his mile-high skyscraper built, mainly b/c it is a mile high.
you wouldnt prefer this?
The Sanctum Sanctorum is a fictional building in the Marvel Universe. It first appeared in Doctor Strange.
Among the building’s many oddities is that there seems to be more space inside than there would seem to be from outside. Some corridors form labyrinths, and the arrangement of rooms seems to change by itself. The house holds many powerful magical items, some of which have an innocent appearance.
“The purpose of the plan was to earn some recognition for the firm, and it worked.”
since when does proposing absurd bldgs earn recognition!
i think if we are picking unbuilt proposals, neither the mile-high nor the x-seed would be my 1st choice.
is all of the writing in comic books so stilted? do they show what the piece looks like from the outside. obviously it is impossible to make a volume that has more space inside it than it can contain, but i think it would be interesting to pinpoint the aspects that might make it appear as such. in fact, as i am thinking about it, isnt the idea here to mask the fact that the space inside (where vlado lives) is actually smaller than the envelope would indicate?
strange’s residence is in greenwich village:
the exterior currently appears dilapidated, but it only appears this way due to a spell to disguise the fact that the new avengers are hiding inside:
i don’t think we would be able to rely on such spells; i imagine that we will utilize steps and slight angles to maintain the expected continuity of size between exterior and interior faces of the bldg envelope.
is all of the writing in comic books so stilted?
that text was written in 1965; i am sure it sounded ‘hep’ way the fuck back then.
ethnography of hiders:
Re: Looking for closed off spaces
by Gman3333 (Tue Apr 18 2006 10:18:13)HAHA!
I am 36 and I do the same thing!!! I remeber around 1991, my mom was doing a little remodeling to her house and there was an extra closet that was not needed, which caused the wall space to be taken up by that door. She decided to just seal up the closet and make it one big wall. The first thing that came to mind was Bad Ronald!!! It is so funny how this movie and the others of teh 70s really made an impressionable impact on my age group!
Re: Looking for closed off spaces
by jezebel_NC (Fri Oct 6 2006 13:57:51)This is hysterical, because I did the same thing. I was about 8 when I first saw it. I was convinced that someone lived in the space between our fire place and living room.
And yes, even now, I don’t like “unaccounted for” space.
Re: Looking for closed off spaces
by camerabugs (Sun Aug 5 2007 11:25:37)UPDATED Sun Aug 5 2007 11:26:25
We lived in a house in Iowa that had a door that had been wallpapered off. The entrire wall was covered in wallpaper, but you could clearly see the outline of the door. There was about 2 feet of space between the two bedrooms that was unused. I always wondered what was in that space.
when is the work.group showing of bad ronald?!
that pregnant guy above was supposed to be my foetus in foetu contribution but the picture of the wretched spawn being rinsed off(?) takes the cake.
i seem to remember a couple of newsbits recently, one having to do with a stash of child pornography sealed up in a house someone bought and the other being a room filled with mold that was sealed off. in the latter i think there was a note in the room that said something like “youve found it!”
of course we cant forget the recent ‘canoe man’ story and the accompanying diagrams of how he accessed his chambre through a wardrobe.
i seem to remember a couple of newsbits recently, one having to do with a stash of child pornography sealed up in a house someone bought and the other being a room filled with mold that was sealed off. in the latter i think there was a note in the room that said something like “youve found it!”
i think you are thinking of this:
http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF220-Passed_On.jpg
ha! “titter.” i think it was an actual story, and the guy who had amassed it all was a cop?
[quote comment="11765"]of course we cant forget the recent ‘canoe man’ story and the accompanying diagrams of how he accessed his chambre through a wardrobe.[/quote]
is that similar to lazlo hollyfeld (sp?) entering his secret computer chambre from the closet of val kilmer in ‘real genius’?
i seem to remember that mold story, at least the problems of people trying to get close to it; the ‘you found it’ note on the porn was brilliant foresight.
hmm, that seems less appropriate, but infinitely more intriguing.
in ‘panic room’, jodie foster discovers the panic room by asking why the adjacent room isn’t as large as the hall and rooms next to it suggest.
maybe jodie foster can, but i doubt that vlado could. i think we should be reasonable sneaky by deploying the tricks and methods as listed above but we should also count on the fact that the tenant will be constantly baked. maybe we could just paint the those spaces blue and he wont be able to see them.
hmmm.. is that a hidden space, or is that just where the stairs go? a there any examples of cathedrals where there are hidden passages to facilitate papist rituals? does the pope have hidden passages to move about his house? i recall something about greek temples having compartments where a concealed human would make noises or activate machines in order to provide the appropriate omens or portents for the priests or wtf a shaman was called back then.
“With incomparable skill Owen knew how to conduct priests to a place of safety along subterranean passages, to hide them between walls and bury them in impenetrable recesses, and to entangle them in labyrinths and a thousand windings. But what was much more difficult of accomplishment, he so disguised the entrances to these as to make them most unlike what they really were. Moreover, he kept these places so close a secret that he would never disclose to another, the place of concealment of any Catholic. He alone was both their architect and their builder.”
are you reading ‘pillars of the earth’ or something?
so is this a house that josh frank actually built? does that mean we have to use a manifold design methodology?
wtf is ‘pillars of the earth’? is that from the books of blood?
i think gjosh built the hidden spaces in an existing home before he faked his death and the house was bought by the garcia-mortons at an estate sale.
‘pillars of the earth’ was a novel about the building of a cathedral. i read it in junior high.
so i think we have established the scenario and some of the techniques that the hider will use in the construction of his house of horrors. is there anything else at stake? anything that could help inform how the house functions for the happy couple, or is it to be fairly vanilla/denim?
anything that could help inform how the house functions for the happy couple
they have a son/stepson stay over every other weekend.
do you think we should pinpoint a site and have photos and measured drawings of it? i think that would be useful.
i guess so? how do we do that?
are you going out to los angeles? i am in favour of mundane sites, such as my ‘mar vista social club’ behind the vons, or the poisoned lot across from the bagel factory. if you want to pick some ‘extreme’ site like something next to train tracks or by the airport, that’s fine.
i dont remember anything out there that wasnt mundane. is there an area that you have photographed decently, or could ask dvz to shoot? the site behind vons works for me.
i’ll just ask dvz if there is a lot near her office or home, wtf those places are.
ask her to get us some sanborne maps, topos, and a chipboard site model at 1/16″ as well… and some carrot-raisin cupcakes from mani’s!
boy! didn’t you learn your lesson from the last batch?
i don’t know what the rest of that stuff means.
sweet jesus! it wouldnt be the same without their tepid coffee and danny aiello breathing down my neck.
i wonder if that cute girl still works at the one in sm. i sensed that we had a connection.
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i reckon the house should be in los angeles then
ok! the flatlands? the hills? on the site of an existing house (hollyhock)? do we have any site photos of that city?[/quote]
shit, i didnt see this. the site of the house in los feliz is straight.
ok. the one on the hill is the ennis-brown house. that one is deckards apartment. the one down in los feliz is the barnsdall house. i think there is quite a compound there. maybe house one is on the property but not actually on the site of the house.
unfortunately ’silent night, deadly night’ did not contain any relevant information.
i thought of a couple of other precedents:
inferno, when the guy with the feathered hairdo skulks around in the floor of the apartment building. i think the floor plenum space in a 2-storey house would be a good space to sneak around in and possibly use for ventilation for the hider.
zumthor’s kunsthaus has an accessible exterior wall space. i think there is a section at my office.
[quote comment="11846"]unfortunately ’silent night, deadly night’ did not contain any relevant information.[/quote]
neither did ‘jack frost’
lets do this!
hmm, i guess i have never seen the hollyhock house.
is that the site we are going to use? what is the daly, genik house that has some diagonal supports for the carport? i think it is their house, and i think it is in mar vista somewhere?
inferno, when the guy with the feathered hairdo skulks around in the floor of the apartment building.
have you seen ‘garden state’? there is a space between the rooms of a hotel where a bellhop sells tickets so you can sneak in to look through holes in the wall and see people having sex.
saul cups also mentioned ‘being john malkovich’ earlier, regarding the scene w/ the 7½ floor, but i dismissed it, since that was just a small space, scaled for dwarves, not a ‘hidden’ space. now that i ‘think’ about it, though, i think there is a scene where catherine keener and the other actress are chasing each other through jmalkovich’s memories, they are in a building w/ hidden spaces in a house where the roof of the basement opens into the wall of the bathroom or something? i haven’t checked.
the daly, genik house that has some diagonal supports for the carport
it was a house by gregory ain. i believe it appeared in a movie with neve campbell and whmacy?
im not watching garden state.
hmm, i thought there was a house in mar vista that had a carport w/ supports like that.
maybe there is, somewhere in the world, and it has nothing to do w/ daly, genik or ain. wtf do i know about it?
im sure there was. but you asked about the daly, genik one, and that was an addition to one of those ain houses. so you dont want to build on the hollyhock property?
the movie i was thinking of in the ain, daly, genik house was called panic. that library space with the polycarbonate walls was a shrink’s office or something. it has nothing to do with this project.
wtf did you watch jack frost again!?
daly, genik one, and that was an addition to one of those ain houses
well f! why didn’t you say so!
i think that house is in ‘matchstick men‘ and maybe a vw commercial. i don’t know why it is important to mention any of this now; it has been on my mind for months.
hollyhock site is fine, i guess? i must have been thinking of garth-ennis; is that one up in the hills, in shitty condition? the hollyhock site seems a bit privileged, though; they have an entire los angeles block?
is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GusEsYzvTJQ
wtf is ‘garth ennis‘ house
i dont know, i told you above what it was actually called. i assume we could site our house on vermont or something so it doesnt feel so isolated.
since you already dug up the site plan for the h’hock house, i think it would be best to use it. there are probably plenty of site photos to steal, too.
we aren’t hiding this plumed josh in the hollyhock are we?
no, i thought we were doing another building of our own on the site.
there seems to be a little bit of confusion about my intent with the hollyhock site. i dont mean to level wrights tomb-looking thing, i mean to use a plat on the overall compound, possible one on hollywood or maybe on vermont. see below.
what year did you draw that site plan? the google satellite photo looks quite different!
wtf is that on hollywood, a bunch of parking spots with trees in between? my proposed site appears to still be vacant, albeit less appealing than i had envisioned. ill bet the view of that grocery store roof is pretty fresh from wrights mons veneris.
there appears to be a large tower or something to the south of the hh house?
i can’t imagine why the spaces between the parking sports are so wide. is it just to plant trees there? why not just compact the area and have a large grove of trees? anyway, i think that entire parking area could be our site?
also, this photo reminds me of how ‘fucked up’ los angeles is.
the entire parking area seems like an incredibly large site.
it is pretty narrow, though? it could be a sci3mil redux.
what say you? this seems ‘fucked up’ and strangely suburban in the midst of a messy urban morass. its a decent size to but also believable. i plan to do some drawing tonight, i guess it doesnt have to be on this site, but i have some ideas finally. of course it would be easiest if we could agree on the site and move on.
just use that site, then. it seems so ‘exclusive’, but wtf cares, i guess. what are you drawing?!
i am working on some plan sketches. we are still doing this project right? maybe the site should just be a rectangle in downey?
that’s fine, too! is that near where marklin lived? i don’t know it matters where our ’site’ is located; i don’t think that has made a difference since i was in gamble’s studio.
ok, how is this for an la site. suburban enclave, backing up to a garbage filled parking lot, and walking distance from a softball field for young nato g-m and dark realm records, so the hider can buy overpriced blackmetal CDs. hail downey! hail sadistic intent!
wtf is that? is downey, ca, even in california?
it looks good.
yes, it is in ‘los angeles.’ i went to the record store a couple of times.
another precedent. i think it is san pietro? by christopher wren?
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