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house one - planwhat does the green area have written in it?
‘oops’?
is it the garden?
maybe somebody would do it that way, but i doubt we would.
im sorry, ive been sick the past few days. i think we should ‘develop’ the plan some more?
ive been sick
umm, yeah, me too!
i guess i will take a stab at framing out some hider space w/in the program boxes you diagrammed, then we can fill them in with the family spaces?
do you have any preference between the split level(s) scheme and the two storey home?
the split level seems interesting to me, and devious. i think it could still be possible with the above diagrams.
i havent eaten anything but broth in 72 hours. i guess you are used to that!
i do not believe they need to be stacked on top of each other; the levels can appear to have the singular function of defining distinct spaces, like loos or someone might do, whilst masking the more nefarious use from the family.
is your broth flavoured? that sounds good.
i am more accustomed to brine. that’s pretty much all i have consumed, with a few handfuls of brown rice, since x-mas.
also, saul cups is interested in commissioning one of these houses to be built; he wonders if it can be accomplished with a budget of $50,000, not including the land. if we are limiting our program, should we have a budget, too?
yes, i think we should proceed with the terraced scheme. however, i think there should be moments were you have access under the house, probably at the highest points. i think it would be rather suspicious to have a room that is 12′ off the ground with a solid podium underneath it.
is your broth flavoured?
yes, i think that is the definition of broth, otherwise it is brine, or just water.
saul cups is interested in commissioning one of these houses
dont fuck with me.
she wouldnt want to commission a fresh house? i wasnt going to tell you until i heard more, but since you are cursing my darkness, a friend of laurel’s from athens has also expressed interest in a custom home.
you are cursing my darkness,
you’re crazy! i was only trying to help!
who wants a custom home? can ‘laurel’s friend’ not just pick from one of the 31 ready-designed houses?
i pity you!
his name is jordan, he is a graphic designer/rocker. he was a the bartender at the restaurant she worked at. he is a pretty motivated guy and seems like he has good follow-through. i will let you know if i hear anything more definitive. i will check and see if he is a blind falconer, we would have just the thing for him if he wants to move to brest.
none of our houses are for a rocker? where was this guy in january? he could have saved us one day of labour.
here is some plan development, yo. taking the above spatial relationships and imposing the hider net over it, then selecting some hider poche. in the overall plan the medium grey is the family space, the light is terrace or garden, and the dark is obviously where the hider hangs. i have been picturing some 3d manifestations of these spaces where the shards of space sometimes break upward into sort of volumetric ‘masts’ that maybe have skylights or high windows and then have what looks like bracing passing through them which would actually be hider tunnels (ill do a sketch)!
these print at 1/16″=1′-0″
shards of space sometimes break upward into sort of volumetric ‘masts’ that maybe have skylights or high windows and then have what looks like bracing passing through them which would actually be hider tunnels!
simply
here is a view that is more keeping with the proposed(?) geometries/terracing.
i have been on the road; now i am ready to get back to work! your plans have rendered my staid sketches of the hider spaces pointless. are you proposing that one of ‘us’ build a 3df model?
build a 3df model
im not sure i am proposing that yet. although i did place the plan schema in acad to start tooling around on it.
i have been studying for an a.r.e. this weekend so i should be back on it tomorrow night.
question: i am enjoying the byzantine deception of the plans, but do you think the building should be so chaotic formally? i wonder whether the exterior envelope should be more monolithic, and perhaps the family is given the opportunity to inhabit some of the interstitial spaces themselves, whether it be for storage or rhetorical purposes, but it would throw them off the trail of the discrepancies between smooth exterior and sculpted interior.
i guess i am proposing this out of a faint contextual impulse. none of the houses in the neighbourhood seem to be posturing with quite the self-objectification that these plans and diagrams have been positing.
i think it could be streamlined a bit more than what i can see in your section here. if the shards are not smoothed a bit into the monolith, it might encourage folks to investigate them from the outside.
perhaps the family is given the opportunity to inhabit some of the interstitial spaces themselves,
also, rather than the hider spaces be separate chambres that are accessed through hidden passages or camouflaged hatches, they could be continuations of the family’s space that is open but out of reach to them.
they could be continuations of the family’s space that is open but out of reach to them.
explain.
they could be continuations of the family’s space that is open but out of reach to them.
….but not necessarily only due to height.
no. i am just picturing the red ski-cap and close-set eyes appearing over the horizon of the shelf!
i dont think i find out for a few weeks. it was on the computer so im not sure why they cant tell me immediately. i know you dont ‘practice’ architecture, but wtf was the last time you drew a shear diagram?
wtf was the last time you drew a shear diagram
i was in tahar messadi’s class.
moi aussi. i cant help thinking that whoever developed the a.r.e.s didnt consult any architects.
say that reminds me. bring my scale tomorrow - the aluminum scale you stole during marquis.
jt: ill look in my stash, wtf was the last time you measured something?!
jt: ill look in my stash, wtf was the last time you measured something?!
at least you got your precious ruler.
are you working on your tilt tableau?
send some nato guardia or ichiro kakami pictures instead.
[quote comment="12000"]jt: send some nato guardia or ichiro kakami pictures instead.[/quote]
i can’t find ichiro.
[quote comment="12003"]that guy doesnt look familiar.[/quote]
i think he was in 2gax w/ us, and probably in tcruz’s studio w/ you.
[quote comment="11998"]jt: at least you got your precious ruler.[/quote]
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i think i am sunburned.
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you shouldve worn your chapeau.
new plans at 1/16″=1′-0″. i think i might cad these up so that you can have the same info i am having if you want to make some computer models based on this organization or further your sectional work. i have tried to keep your split leveled notion alive so that each discrete space is reached by a sloping hallway or stair.
i can try modeling that, i guess? i don’t think i’ve ever modeled something non-orthogonal. is it possible?
have you done your taxes yet?
the habitat house had a non-orthogonal roof.
yes. i did my taxes several weeks ago!
yes. i did my taxes several weeks ago!
interesting. i won’t be working on any models before the 16th.
it took me about an hour to do my state and federal taxes!
i guess yours is more complicated because you are self-employed? my returns are pretty straightforward. i actually got more back than i had listed in my return; the irs found an error. everything’s coming up trefry!
i have to fill out like 3 forms and 6 schedules and a couple of worksheets. i made the mistake of earning some $ in nyc last year, adding to the tedium.
i actually got more back than i had listed
you already got a refund? i didn’t know that kings had to file!
in plan one, there seems to be one plan overlaid with another; i can see ‘kitchen’ and ‘wc’ more than once. is that just a new plan traced over an older one, or is there more than one of these rooms?
it is an overlay, the topmost is the more refined version.
maybe i will take a stab at it. i finished fed taxes last night and filed state taxes online this morning, so i have nothing to do today but go to the vet to pick up the collar from the cat we ‘rescued’ this weekend.
pix!!
it is a long story, but we did not get to keep her.
the longer story: there was a cat crying at the neighbor’s door frantically. i checked on her in the morning, and she was there for a couple of hours, then she ran off later in the day. i came home at midnight, after a thunderstorm, and she was back on the porch, soaked. i gave her some food on my porch and went to sleep. she woke me up at like 5am, crying from the backyard. i couldn’t find her so i went to bed, then later out to get coffee. when i came back, she was still crying, so i went into the backyard and found her in a tree! i climbed up and pulled her down, then brought her into the building. i knocked on the neighbor’s door repeatedly and left a note. we figured anyone there had to have seen her on the porch during the say, so she must have been dropped off by someone else. so, we took her to the vet to get her checked out before introducing her to p+d, as we planned to ‘foster’ her until she could move in w/ someone - or, as i secretly planned, permanently. the vet recommended keeping her separated from the other cats until we could get a deworming treatment. so, we left her there to be boarded w/ the vet for 2 days.
as soon as we got home, the neighbor came over and asked about the cat. he was a total dipshit about it; he clearly does not deserve to live with the cat. apparently she snuck out when he was leaving, and he did not hear her crying - though sc, bg, and i could - and didn’t hear me knock on the door multiple times. if i had not put a note there, he probably would not have considered looking for her.
anyway, today he picked her up from the vet and had to shell out a couple of hundred $$$, which serves him right for leaving her out in the rain for more than 24 hours.
i would imagine phe didnt come to the door because phe was in the middle of an sp chat with bg.
we do multiple cat-counts a day at our house.
i was going to try to cad this piece, but i am unsure which are volumes, hider spaces, or solids.
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we do multiple cat-counts a day at our house.[/quote]
i think two is all i can handle; if i take my eye off one, i don’t know if the other is running out. you could never be facing all three. it is like trying to measure velocity and direction simultaneously.
maybe you could overlay this drawing over this one to get a get a sense of some hider spaces? there would need to be some editing to allow the spaces shown in the newer plan to function.
what do the arrows represent? for example, i am referring to the arrows in the bottom left of this plan. are they ramps?
i just traced some lines, i’m not sure which are rooms or which are ‘behind’, etc.
0413plan.dwg
yes! i wasn’t sure if some double lines were spaces, or were ‘behind’ lines for walls that slope.
i hadnt yet begun considering sloped surfaces. im not sure i can account for every line, but im positive each is crucial to some end.
i could only save as 2006,2004, or 2000. here is a 2000; i added a few more lines since the one i posted yesterday.
0413plan-v2000.dwg
if you want to wait an hour or so on that file, i will upload another one w/ some rooms as plines.
i will do it in an hour or two; now i have to go see a house w/ scups!
hmm… im not a fan of plines. but i wont get to peep until tonight anyway.
please tell me you are looking at a house that she plans to bulldoze. can we at least remodel her kitchen?
i thought pline would be useful for building the model? well, i will explode them and upload in a little while.
you may be right about the model. i just dont like drafting with plines. it seems less like the real thing.
i just draft in line, then trace those w/ pline to extrude/model?
ok, try this. i exploded all the plines, so it isn’t much more sophisticated than before - just some rooms w/ double-lined walls.
hmm, there are some broken lines on this piece. are you going to use it any time soon?
i have been adding a little bit to the dwg at a time. i will let go of it in a half hour or so; i have an owilde reading for which i need to dress.
strange, i will save it myself here and take it home for the weekend.
i am using 2006 and saving it down to 2000. when one opens it again in 2004/6 later, does it save it as 2004/6 by default? maybe that’s what happened? who cares! send me something else to draw?
yes, i think thats what happens.
why dont you draw a section, playboy.
i can try, if i can find someone to explain all those numbers and symbols on your plan to me.
1. all hallway elements (which i tried to slow down with lightning bolt zig-zags so if the hider was running behind a little bit he wouldnt be seen) are sloped at 1:20.
2. these numbers that show up on the ramps are the length of the ramp which helps to determine the height they will ascend.
3. arrowheads show the direction of the slope. i do have some spot elevations too. you may create your own in the sections as you develop them, obviously.
1:20 is pretty gradual and i dont think you are required by code to have landings as it is not considered a ramp, however it might be handy so that your doors dont have sloped gaps at the sill… although that could be interesting in terms of the hider’s agenda!
wtf is code? i was thinking about the difficulty in making two 95 degree turns whilst running, if the slope of the floor did not turn with you.
‘bank’
i guess so, otherwise hider will have edges to trip over where the planes meet. i guess they could be banked up at the green ‘circles’? i warned you i’d be out of my element, re: orthogonal.
i think we probably should not get bogged down on this issue at the moment.
haha, you are not the one assigned to draw the sections!
have you given any thought to the bathroom millwork finishing nails?
i think if you consider the living room to be zero then, yes, it is. the living room may not be zero.
ok. i don’t know why i asked; i guess it was b/c the notations were in “, which i thought was short, and i hadn’t noticed that the ‘2nd floor’ didn’t have any. so…they aren’t short.
to get the inches symbol ″, use ″ rather than the ” key
wait! why are they backwards? they are supposed to be angled lines, not curved.
fuck it!
[quote comment="12085"]to get the inches symbol ″, use ″ rather than the ” key[/quote]
that is not intuitive.
there is supposed to be a distinction between the symbols, but they both look the same to me. maybe it depends on the font. let me know how much time you want me to spend on this.
some plan development. i rotated the offices outward to provide greater connection from the garden to the living room, added hider spaces and began looking at how hider spaces can connect.
i would like to maybe look at some massing that is reminiscent of your original massing drawings with the interstitial hider spaces. how is your model going?
i think some of that would be transparent or open, such as the wall between the mudroom and office. i’ll look into your new plan before worrying about that.
would it be of any use for me to do some updated CADding?
i don’t know; have you touched that previous cad file at all? i was planning to leave it behind and peep out that new sketch plan of yours in 3fd with regards to the piles seen in the massing post, but i’ve been, um, busy this weekend.
i have been hand drafting the changes. i dont know how to go straight into CAD.
perhaps you are getting sick of these? maybe a bit more clear now?
hider spaces seem pretty massive; the family space is the transparent ‘box’
there aren’t any 1mm lens camera tricks; those hider-piles all taper outwards as they reach the top.
[quote comment="12104"]awesome, are the dashed lines hidden passages?[/quote]
yes, i thought they could provide the overhead crawl or creep moments that we had earlier discussed.
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hider spaces seem pretty massive; the family space is the transparent ‘box’[/quote]
agreed. how tall are those spaces? i think the vertical proportions look odd? also, i think that the mass of the hider spaces would be blended into the overall massing of the building by not relying on a diagrammatic solid/void that corresponds to hider/booji. for instance, you would never have a window that touched the side wall of an interior room because then you would go to the outside and see that the window was 4′ from the corner of the house and wonder wtf was filling in the space. the fenestration needs to play into the deception.
did you build this joint in rhino?
they are all different heights - minimum 20′, it think. i imagine that some will only be single storey height. i figured that they would be hidden as walls, but some might pierce through the entire house as ’structural’ members - as far as the family knows. the seller can tell them that the soil in fontana or wtf this is located is unstable. i will block out the family rooms, and see how it looks is the last sketch you sent the 1st floor only?
this is build in max.
the last plan is level 1 only. can you export a .dwg that i can cruise in rhino?
yes. a (dot)dwg exported from max will retain all of its 3eedee properties.
the one to the west is the model i posted on 25.Apr.2008
west = when looking at the plan, the house on the left
should this be posted in massing?
here is the 1st floor, w/ the piles shortened and some of the south rooms added. i threw an office (i think?) onto the 2nd floor. the hider areas in the dining/kitchen area (north) still seem massive?
yeah i guess we can move into massing? i would say it is hard to tell if it is too massive looking at it from above. down within the spaces will be the true test.
