the inaugural meeting for moda2007 took place this weekend in west philadelphia. the other inaugural meeting is scheduled sometime next week at eats, perhaps? adherence to the ‘program’ was discussed; it was determined to let the work roll and compose a text appropriate to moda’s concerns. the work will be divided up into three boards; speaking for the philadelphia workers, we plan on taking atl.stn images assigned by jt and inserting some image/drawing fragments from elsewhere – you can expect to see pretty much the same shite seen in ‘history of america’.
a few preliminary maps were composed; view them now to guide the three branches of work:
your chode image is upside down.
grey and i will be meeting tomorrow for lunch. can grey have a profile up on this site and access to wp?
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i don’t know gray’s email address and usual password; he can register himself, though. have him visit the worker’s lounge and click ‘post missive’; that should take him to the login/register screen.
his ‘profile’ should appear automagically. if not, let me know!
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also, when i get gray’s address, i can add it to the ‘subscribed’ list, so he can get notifications for about half the posts/comments like the rest of us.
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grayi have posted a missive…let the good times roll!
also, the southern lords of sisyphean shall dine and discuss MODA this day. report to follow.
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hmm, i don’t see a ‘missive’; if you mean you composed an entire new post, make sure that you click ‘publish’ when done, not just ‘save’.
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i “updated my profile”…is that not “posting a missive”. i shall coordinate with kron over beers at lunch today.
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success!
the southern lords of sisyphean have dined and a direction has been struck.
i shall research the health of today’s “new urbanist” populace versus the health of the past’s “old urbanist” populace to see if the there is any connection to how/where they live and how grim their subsequent deaths were. bubonic plague v. springtime allergies.
kron also would like to see turtles as well…so, expect turtles.
more to follow.
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i too have a staple gun… we might ‘make’ a surface to put them up on? we could also make ‘fake’ fliers too or something? that could be some stolen cl posts turned into notes on the wall, posters for grey’s band, fliers for pung and panthro uk united 14 shows, etc… do you think this is a feasible notion? it might help take pressure of of things, also, maybe my big drawings could get wheat pasted up first and have shit stapled over them so they are not then so precious…
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hmm…it’s feasible, but i don’t understand why we’d do it? i don’t understand the inclusion of the fliers – that’s for sure!
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jt writes: you have 3 pieces of work that i have seen, i will have three, i assumed we could put up some photos too, i am still a bit sketchy on the underpinnings of the work, do you think a text would be valuable, we could
repost our marquis text?… did we talk before about wheat pasting? i can see this being a bit more atypical presentation than marquis, something to
differentiate it from what dave green and mike gamble might do and to
prompt the viewers to the fact that we do not buy the premise of the
exhibition
if our ‘work’ is anything other than presentation (polished turd), then i think the fact that we produced nothing relevant to the program (i don’t think g+g will, either) will make it clear to the rabble that we did not ‘buy into it’.
yes, i think a text would be valuable – essential, in fact. i don’t remember what was in the marquis text to which you are referring, but i am sure it is still true, and i believe in it. i guess we could add something more specific about atlanta instead of the warring city-states or wtf it was about. didn’t the thing that you wrote for ed a couple of weeks ago have something about mental health care? we can include that as well as gray’s research about the black death.
i imagine a text has to be emailed to someone, anyway, for the ‘catalog’ or website or something; are we still producing a fanzine? if not, you can letraset it on vellum and nail it to the door.
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the fliers would serve as a means to include other information such as texts, cultural references, and supporting materials, but also to prop up the aesthetic.
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holy shit! do the cl posts need to be this fucked up and/or ‘stolen’. i might know someone who makes suitable posts that don’t need to be stolen.
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this an exciting new direction.
the presentation is a reaction to “fake” city of atl.stn, by ways of an even phonier “city wall”. i think that is a justifiable approach.
plus a collage style would solve some of the assemblage issues that are sprouting up.
text is essential though, and i would argue against recycling marquis text. the zine idea is still a good one. the text could take place on the various flyers, posters, want ads, and wanted posters, leaving it up to the viewer to piece together the narrative.
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atl.stn isn’t fake; it is contrived or corporate, but to the millions of people who live there, it is as real as our comfortable suburban homes (see: las vegas). granted, i have never been to the completed atl.stn, but the wall photo a few comments above is one of the last things i’d expect to see there (maybe there are some index cards on the ‘community wall’ at the whole foods (if they have one)).
i hope we aren’t jumping to the conclusion of the flier-wall because we are afraid we are lacking work two months ahead of the show or because we can’t seem to agree upon a size of the medium.
jt+i have together and separately put together 24+ dozen presentations that have included pieces of various sizes of various media; gray has, as well, i am sure. with the exception of my thesis, they were all successful. i don’t think we have to hide our disparate formats by gluing them all together.
also, maybe i haven’t been clear enough, but my intention is to use the same format as jt’s triptych, onlu w/ different photos.
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that was a real cl post, except for the picture of course.
agreed on recycling marquis text. i think there is enough fodder to be stolen/skillyfully crafted that will suit our ‘point.’ if we can convince ashley that this isnt too trite i will feel comfortable accepting this direction and beginning to develop materials. also, if this is a suitable direction, we should at some point soon discuss the composition of ‘the wall.’
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i am not suggesting this presentation format because it would mask our lack of work. i was suggesting it because i felt that it would be an interesting aesthetic vehicle that would help us produce work and couch it in conceptual unity. i stand by my belief in its strength and look forward to alternate proposals.
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jt: i stand by my belief in its strength and look forward to alternate proposals.
i thought this was the accepted alternate proposal:
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i like the wall approach, because you had better goddamn believe atl.stn is fake. you can’t pre-plan and manufacture a city centre out of the blue. cities evolve and breathe as living organisms, whereas atl.stn is no different than a strip mall that could eventually be boarded up once the financial partners deem it not successful.
maybe that’s the wall we erect. the wall is a salvaged fragment from a boarded up Z Gallerie window in the atl.stn ghetto wasteland of the near future.
i don’t think a triptych idea could be successful, but it doesn’t seem as dynamic as the wall. at least not yet.
sauce is correct in pointing out that there is still plenty of time for the presentation to reveal itself, but having some type of idea what the finished product might look like would certainly help at this stage in the game (please note sports reference).
if we do a zine, i would like to contribute an audio track to be played during the exhibition. Sonn Av Krusher!
maybe jawk smashzine could do the vinyl version.
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more discussion on ‘the wall fragment.’ i told ed and the moda crue last night that this is what we are doing after ashley ok’d it. i think it can keep itself from being too kitschy by not trying to look weathered and sloppy but by employing the notion of layering and variegated format/type of postings. i made a sketch during the meeting last night that i will post soon.
ashley:
i’m not interested in the fragment wall at all, actually;
i don’t see how anything i have produced would be useful as a ‘flier’.
i am just trying to make some dwgs at this point;
i can’t address your hard on for size yet,
since you shat on your own idea for the corpse format.
i worked out the 3 images to use,
but that seems to have been a waste of time.
john: jc… it doesnt have to be on a flier, my thought was that it would be more flexible and would create its own context, large drawings could be put up, but then other things could be put up over them like luther’s manifesto or an add for a vegan potluck, it would decrease the ‘importance’ of the individual pieces we are creating because my issue here is that i believe people should each have their own answer to how they shape the world around them, and although i am putting mine up on the wall, i do not want itto appear as a free floating singular ‘right’ answer, also, i am interested in the aesthetic of ‘the mess’ for this presentation, i felt as though our last exhibition was incredibly sterile and this one is a small amount of space and a very nebulous proposal, i like the idea that people would walk up to the wall and be lifting sheets up to look under them at other fragments of information, etc.
I also told them that our project dealt with alientation from the status quo built environment and our believe that people need to make their own choices for how to live their lives within it, because the majority of the built world is always going to suck and people cannot blame it for not being cool enough to stop them from watching ‘american idol’ and eating hotwings. i also said that designing things that clip your ipod onto your umbrella would not encourage you to walk more and that eating meat is one of the stupidest environmental strains i could think of.
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jt writes: you came up with the marquis theme
the ‘sterile’ presentation was my doing?
in that case, you can just d/l any shit that i post on here between now and june, then tack it up as you and gray see fit.
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let’s see that sketch that jt presented to ed.
dont know if grei was serious about the boom box request. comments, diversions? again, i dont see this thing being totally sloppy and crummy like the wall photo posted before. i only felt that the concept of loosely layering images might be interactive and turn the body of work into ‘a thing’ rather than an assortment of things.
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also, i saw this in a magazine. it is a bit too formal for what i was thinking of, but it shows a diverse assortment of things tightly presented.
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hmmmmm, this looks more like a collection than the ‘found’ wall; i don’t know if our shit is supposed to be found, as well, but these images – photo especially – reminds me of those contrived displays you see at tgifriday’s or hard rock cafe (post the ones you took in paris?), or maybe the john soane museum.
i know you value the precious object, the chef-d’oeuvre, but i think we should forgo the three giant corpses now, lest it look like ‘final’ work surrounded by prelimiary studies, and instead have chunks of the body criss-crossing each other. on the other hand, we aren’t working together, so maybe we should stick with the master-work/satellite-shite scheme?
otherwise, perhaps all the pieces be formatted as similar photos or leaves from a book, then laid thoughtfully over each oth.
i don’t know why the photo reminds me of tgifriday’s – it isn’t meant as a jab!
also, the boombox would be hokey.
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maybe we should stick with the master-work/satellite-shite scheme?
i would not characterize your work or mine in either of this slots. i think that the larger things would necessarily be subsumed into the history of the wall and would lose their prominence in that way. you may only see 40% of their surface area without lifting up the skirts of someone else’s work.
i plan to trim down the larger drawings that i am doing, but i do not plan to eliminate them, they are all i have done, and i dont think they will run the risk of looking ‘finished.’ you will notice in my sketch that the larger drawings are posted first on the wall surface and then have things pasted and pinned over them. i do usually value the precious object, but in this case i want to first produce them and then begin to erode their power. I do agree that the photo is too contrived. What i am picturing is between that and the ‘wanted wall.’ it has the diversity of materials that the photo has but has the temporal layering of the wanted wall. perhaps things that look like fliers and notes (but are not) are put up with those sturdy bankers pins and are layered and layered.
also i dont think it is all found material. in fact i would prefer that there is no found material ideally, and that all of the materials be developed to ‘talk’ about something. but some poached texts and altered posts and fliers would be useful to flesh out the collage like we did with some of the random shit in marquis.
i guess that word, ‘collage,’ sums up my feeling about the presentation, except it is not ‘finished’ and the narrative of the layers is still accessible?
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you sure mention a lot of layers! where is all that material going to come from? can we use blank sheets. if you insist on having the 3 corpse drawings covered by tiny-shite, i wonder if they (corpses) can be affixed to the wall w/o the pins; perhaps they are something that was originally a permanent fixture, such as a ‘map’ of the mall or a final-view rendering that you see pasted at building sites, that has subsequently been covered by supplemental information. rather than being pinnned, the corpses are the base surface.
also i dont think it is all found material. in fact i would prefer that there is no found material ideally…but some poached texts and altered posts and fliers
i should have been clearer; ‘found’ in my question meant ‘supposed to be found’, ie, are we going to make fake posters or something w/ our work? or just put up the work? i still don’t understand why (band?) fliers would be on the wall, except to make it a phony ‘real’ wall – an artifact removed from the site and dragged to moda. or is it an image of a turtle in the sky that only looks like a band flier?
what are banker’s pins? the tiny coloured dots, or those long T-shaped pins you always have? my image search did not illuminate things.
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bankers pins are those straight pins that almost have the rigidity of 10d nails. we used them in marquis.
i had always intended to ‘wheat paste’ the larger base drawings to the wall so i concur with your above assertion. any number of things could fill this bottom layer as well. were you going to print any of your things large? we have 570 klamms.
where is all that material going to come from?
our hard work? i think they can be pretty quick. i dont necessarily think there should be band posters, but i wouldnt preclude a poster announcing some sort of ‘happening,’ like “‘sonn av krusher’ will be playing one 20 second song next to the abandoned car in sub-basement r at the summer solstice.” but not, “‘the dave matthews cover band’ will be playing a concert in central park (at atlstn) at 8pm on saturday night. sponsored by dos equis.” also, i thought there could be rewritten roommate wanted ads that said shit like ‘im looking for someone who wants to construct an edifice in the woods behind ru-sans and has experience with an oxyacetylene welder. must share my values of …”
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i tried to post this but it didnt show up, this is a record copy:
bankers pins are those straight pins that almost have the rigidity of 10d nails. we used them in marquis.
i had always intended to ‘wheat paste’ the larger base drawings to the wall so i concur with your above assertion. any number of things could fill this bottom layer as well. were you going to print any of your things large? we have 570 klamms.
ashley: “where is all that material going to come from?”
our hard work? i think they can be pretty quick. i dont necessarily think there should be band posters, but i wouldnt preclude a poster announcing some sort of ‘happening,’ like “‘sonn av krusher’ will be playing one 20 second song next to the abandoned car in sub-basement r at the summer solstice.” but not, “‘the dave matthews cover band’ will be playing a concert in central park (at atlstn) at 8pm on saturday night. sponsored by dos equis.” also, i thought there could be rewritten roommate wanted ads that said shit like ‘im looking for someone who wants to construct an edifice in the woods behind ru-sans and has experience with an oxyacetylene welder. must share my values of …”
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also, the boombox would be hokey.
that being said, on saturday i completed a “song” of approxiamtely 22 minutes in length that is intended to be played on a loop at a very low volume (approx. 10 DB SPL) from a hidden source of amplification during the course of the exhibit. i can’t say the piece is finished, as it awaits theremin treatment from james joyce. i have high hopes.
also, just as an update, i have roughed out my three anaylsis triptych images this weekend. i believe final completion will require further photo recon as i need some shots outside atl.stn looking in.
rest assured though, the three panels, entitled; Plaguewielder, Megadeath, and Zombie Apocalypse, do include both turtles and rainbows.upward and onward!
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the music was to reinforce the notion of audacity at atl.stn, and to unnerve the patrons as they view the work.
the original statement of intent remarked on “shaking people out of their stupors” or something…didn’t it?
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having read that, i don’t believe the song is necessary; i would prefer to see them ‘unnerved’ by the ‘architectural’ work. a lot of things might shake someone ‘out of a stupor’, such as smelling salts or amphetamines, but i don’t know if they have a place in this environment (gallery of arch.work). i haven’t heard the song, but we’ve all seen it (music during arch. presentation) done before, and without fail it it is seen as a gimmick and mocked, rather than world-rocking.
see ‘hall of mirrors’ played during 2gb review.
in fact, jt was recently bitching about some guy playing ‘Arvo Part’, wtf that is, during his acsa paper – what says he?
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i think it is dangerous and i agree that ashley’s use of the kraftwerk track was a failure. maybe you could have your myspace profile pinned up?
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that’s fine, but i would be hesistant to call this an “arch.work”, and therefore prescribe the tenants of “arch.work” to the presentation.
it seems that everything we are proposing is meant to transcend “arch.work” and take on a new life as social commentary / satire. i suppose you could make the arguement that architecture could be social commentary / satire, but i wouldn’t buy that arguement (unless someone really, really convinced me).
i will leave it to my maurading turtle-gods to tell my version of the story.
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i would not be hesitant or ‘hesistant’ to call this ‘arch.work’, by which i meant architecture. i am wholly commited to the notion that this (dwg) is as close to architecture as the taj mahal.
i don’t find that architecture is waiting to be ‘transcended’ by social commentary; it is social commentary – to which we adapt the only tools with which we (the wrkrs) are skilled. otherwise, what are the qualifications for satire? does it have to be written – a novel, a play, or a song? where does that leave a cartoon, a painting, or a toilet in a museum?
these are all ‘arts’; i don’t think architecture is any less of one…it is only more expensive (built), and therefore less pursued.
if we are not working in the field of architecture, yet we wish to remain satirists, then we might as well put our brushes and mouses down and open up a new blogger account – or have one of jt’s novels published under the work.group banner.
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jx, what else could the work.group be? we aren’t playwrights or mimes. whether we are satirizing or masturbating, everything that transpires within is towards the advance of architecture.
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in fact, why are we even satirists? what are we satirizing, exactly – just atlantic station? make no mistake, i know that place is a scam – dictating unhealthy dreams to the suburban rabble – as well as visually atrocious. do we have to be smart alecks when notifying the public? can we not say so in a straightforward manner, perhaps by lifing the wool from the eyes of the hoi polloi or by providing methods by which the hoi pollois removed the wool on their own?
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if ‘architecture’ simply means any act committed by an architect, then i just designed a pretty sweet dump in the 8th floor bathroom or the northcreek office complex.
architecture implies a built environment, or at least the intent to build. i’m sure that sounds like an antiquated idea, but that’s what defines architecture, and at some point we have to define words, or else those words lose all meaning.
i agree that architecture can also be an artform, and should be persued as such, but architecture criticism, critique, or satire is not architecture.
i also agree that architecture can be a means of social commentary, but when we are responding to an existing project we are responding less to the architecture itself and more to the impact of the project on the city of atlanta, and human-kind in general. you might argue that atl.stn’s impact on atlanta IS the architecture, but that’s not how i see it.
the wrk.grp is about the advance of architecture, and i believe that what happens within this website, and in the public forum IS advancing the field. it certainly has changed the way i view the built world, and it influences my professional work each day, and that is why i am interested in contributing to the cause. so, you and i agree for the most part, but where we differ is in what are defintions of architecture vs. art vs. commentary are. i think commentary and satire are just as legitimate of weapons against the status quo as architecture proper is.
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satire doesn’t have to be witty, just clever. i would hope the aim is to be clever in all that you do.
and yes, we would be satirizing atlantic station first and foremost, as it is the concentration of this particular effort, but in the broader sense i aim to call attention to the audacity of the developer cum urban designer who posits to create a city neighborhood out of the blue. and to that end, i will employ satire to achieve this.
i have found all of the wrk.grp’s previous efforts to contain high amounts of wit and satire, and in my mind, that is the grp’s strength. after all, pump number three is on, go ahead and touch your tits.
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btw, design, which is what this show is supposed to be about, is something completely different, and something that in the end i am completely uninterested in. i do support the publication of my novel.
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design, which is what this show is supposed to be about, is something completely different, and something that in the end i am completely uninterested in.
that statement is as false as the one you made about wanting everything you’ve ‘done’ destroyed at the moment of your death.
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how is this exhibit about design and not architecture?
also, how does one proposition a relationship in a purposeful manner without ‘designing’ it?
i’m not sure i buy that.
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that statement is as false as the one you made about wanting everything you’ve ‘done’ destroyed at the moment of your death.
i was positive you were going to pull that shit again, that is why i said ‘in the end,’ because clearly, my currently phresh lifestyle depends on my design steez. also, i dont believe i meant that i wanted everything destroyed, i meant that i dont believe in an afterlife during which i can continue to feel pride in my accomplishments, so the importance of these things surviving me is irrelevant to me.
also, how does one proposition a relationship in a purposeful manner without ‘designing’ it?
if you had been at that meeting you could have seen how this exhibition was about design and not architecture. it was sad. there were comments about how making barbed wire with butterfly shaped razors on it would make people less fearful. also, you ‘construct’ relationships, they do not necessarily have to be designed. i believe design is much more conscious about satisfying people outside yourself. constructing a relationship implies a hermeticism that is put into the world to be claimed and read subjectively, but not in the manner in which it was ‘designed’ to be claimed and read. The ‘designed’ relationship is an analogy, which contains its own instructions. The ‘constructed’ relationship is a metaphor, which occurs in an ether of subjectivity.
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i was positive you were going to pull that shit again, that is why i said ‘in the end,’ because clearly, my currently phresh lifestyle depends on my design steez.
i was also thinking of all the homorugs you had in your ebay’s watched items – bidding on anything with ‘eames’ in the title.
The ‘designed’ relationship is an analogy, which contains its own instructions. The ‘constructed’ relationship is a metaphor, which occurs in an ether of subjectivity.
let me know when you start bidding on this masterpiece
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The ‘constructed’ relationship is a metaphor, which occurs in an ether of subjectivity.
the subjectivity of the viewer only though. the author of that constuction would surely have his/her own set of instructions prescribed to the work.
right?
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the subjectivity of the viewer only though. the author of that constuction would surely have his/her own set of instructions prescribed to the work. right?
of course, but i think they are not always transmitted in the publication of the relationship. i believe that my reading of ‘design’ contains the keys for reception, whereas ‘construction’ is either dumb or evasive depending on how you want to look at it. i assume that you would both agree with me that there is a difference between the two, but you might ascribe different words to the conditions.
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TANYA!!! YOU FUCKING ROBOT!! BYE, BITCH!
do you have the pic where the woman comes home to find a rose resting on her poly?
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my thinking is inline w/ jt’s w/ regards to design vs construction (i doubt his sincerety when stating he doesn’t care). i have the advantage of having peeped his thesis, so i can read a bit into his value of extra authors, or rather, his honour towards a ‘master’ who enables the possibility of interference by underlings and end users. although, the author who hides behind his construction, asking the users to take up arms against it, is indeed making decisions for the rabble by demanding participation of them – ‘designing’ a situation as much as an rnt who dictates where you sit, how you view, what you wear, and when to eat around his bldgs.
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is poly not a bookshelf? why does john resort to hate speech when speaking of ‘tanya’? are you proposing that atl.stn. be no more than a giant cubby hole?
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edited tanya comment above to be in blockquote as it was said by someone else.
are you proposing that atl.stn. be no more than a giant cubby hole?
fuck no, we are going to design something superior!!!
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jt: do you have the pick where the woman comes home to find a rose resting on her poly?
are you referring to the ‘upskirt’ shots? i had to delete those when i got married.
i found this hot one, though:
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gray: is poly not a bookshelf? why does john resort to hate speech when speaking of ‘tanya’? are you proposing that atl.stn. be no more than a giant cubby hole?
did you read the text?
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i thought we were on track for the moment? i think we should continue producing materials. we should probably discuss the presentation construct in more detail and have something worked out for assembly in the beginning of next month.
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i saw it!
it was going to be pre-columbian urban ‘grid’ peeking through a wormhole in one of ‘my’ pix; you can tape it to the corner of your thorax, instead. or just add a dot with ‘you are here’ and numbers representing the gap, sunglass hut, and lechters.
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in case jt hasn’t printed this page and pasted it yet, let me get on record as saying, ‘architecture does not require that it is built.’
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you can tape it to the corner of your thorax, instead. or just add a dot with ‘you are here’.
you may not have noticed, but i did locate amsterdam houston’s palazzo and ‘kings square’ on the map.
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i peeped his palazzo. are you pissed over my grousing about my exclusion from and lack of transparency in the moda07 process?
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i would be if it werent for the earnest enthusiasm for the product that you displayed yesterday in the parking lot of msme, and the fact that i thought it was plenty transparent.
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jt writes: earnest enthusiasm for the product that you displayed yesterday in the parking lot of msme
anyone who wasn’t there who reads this will think you are being earnest now.
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the final “raging turtle” piece is finished and ready to be delivered.
kron, hit me up so i can either meet you at your house, work, or the museum tomorrow for install.
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