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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch.6
at this point the notion of defeat is so ingrained into the thoughts of roosevelt that when asked &#039;what are you working on&#039; on the way to the airport,  the idea of anything coming out of the results of rioc&#039;s verdict was immediately dismissed.  &#039;what are you working on now?&#039;
&#039;jt and i are working on this competition in new york.  It&#039;s on this little island off manhattan&#039;
&#039;ok&#039;
&#039;since we aren&#039;t going to win that, we are looking past it to this thing at a gallery&#039;
&#039;yeah?&#039;
&#039;there is this place in phila that has unsolicited, i mean, you can submit an idea without them asking&#039;
&#039;mhm&#039;
&#039;so we are going to try to put something together for that, like we did for that show here.  It would not be a competition, though, just us asking them if they would be interested in what we have.&#039;
&#039;mhm&#039;
&#039;we think that could be more successful; if someone has the chance to see the show for months and is interested and contacts us, that would be preferable to just having the jurors on roosevelt island looking at our stuff for 30 minutes.&#039;
&#039;mhm&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch.6<br />
at this point the notion of defeat is so ingrained into the thoughts of roosevelt that when asked &#8216;what are you working on&#8217; on the way to the airport,  the idea of anything coming out of the results of rioc&#8217;s verdict was immediately dismissed.  &#8216;what are you working on now?&#8217;<br />
&#8216;jt and i are working on this competition in new york.  It&#8217;s on this little island off manhattan&#8217;<br />
&#8216;ok&#8217;<br />
&#8217;since we aren&#8217;t going to win that, we are looking past it to this thing at a gallery&#8217;<br />
&#8216;yeah?&#8217;<br />
&#8216;there is this place in phila that has unsolicited, i mean, you can submit an idea without them asking&#8217;<br />
&#8216;mhm&#8217;<br />
&#8217;so we are going to try to put something together for that, like we did for that show here.  It would not be a competition, though, just us asking them if they would be interested in what we have.&#8217;<br />
&#8216;mhm&#8217;<br />
&#8216;we think that could be more successful; if someone has the chance to see the show for months and is interested and contacts us, that would be preferable to just having the jurors on roosevelt island looking at our stuff for 30 minutes.&#8217;<br />
&#8216;mhm&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch.7
&lt;em&gt;-why didn&#039;t you answer when the tour guide asked if there were any architects in the group?- &lt;/em&gt; i&#039;m not an architect, for one, and for the others, i didn&#039;t know if she was going to ask a question for me to answer in front of the group.  for instance, what if she tried to implicate me in that &#039;wright was an organic architect&#039; statement?  is she referring to his practice or his form?  if it is the latter, does she not notice an abundance of straight, perpendicular lines on this joint?  if it is the former, does she think he rolled out of bed every morning and sauntered down the hill to &#039;work some things through&#039; based on what he happened to find arrayed around the site?  would she had asked me to back up that absurd notion that the arced, stepped canopy was a prelude to the guggenheim?  i would have asked her to confess that the canopy is clearly the biggest mistake in the house after the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nwlink.com/~jphoenix/images/stairs-01.jpg&quot; &gt;chunky, cascading exterior staircases&lt;/a&gt;.  also, i would have liked to have been told that $30 gets you both a year-long membership to the conservancy with 2 &#039;free&#039; passes, before i spent $26 on two passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch.7<br />
<em>-why didn&#8217;t you answer when the tour guide asked if there were any architects in the group?- </em> i&#8217;m not an architect, for one, and for the others, i didn&#8217;t know if she was going to ask a question for me to answer in front of the group.  for instance, what if she tried to implicate me in that &#8216;wright was an organic architect&#8217; statement?  is she referring to his practice or his form?  if it is the latter, does she not notice an abundance of straight, perpendicular lines on this joint?  if it is the former, does she think he rolled out of bed every morning and sauntered down the hill to &#8216;work some things through&#8217; based on what he happened to find arrayed around the site?  would she had asked me to back up that absurd notion that the arced, stepped canopy was a prelude to the guggenheim?  i would have asked her to confess that the canopy is clearly the biggest mistake in the house after the <a href="http://www.nwlink.com/~jphoenix/images/stairs-01.jpg" >chunky, cascading exterior staircases</a>.  also, i would have liked to have been told that $30 gets you both a year-long membership to the conservancy with 2 &#8216;free&#8217; passes, before i spent $26 on two passes.</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch.4
as our meeting on ponce progressed with the inclusion of only tentative discussion of the project, i presumed it was due to the  immediacy and the lack of mediation with responses, rather than our shyness or embarrassment over the failure of roosevelt.  has the existence of the office become reliant on its electronic nature?  is there a buffer which makes it safe?  does this buffer allow for considering of information and rewording of text – a quest for perfection which is hobbled by the spoken word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch.4<br />
as our meeting on ponce progressed with the inclusion of only tentative discussion of the project, i presumed it was due to the  immediacy and the lack of mediation with responses, rather than our shyness or embarrassment over the failure of roosevelt.  has the existence of the office become reliant on its electronic nature?  is there a buffer which makes it safe?  does this buffer allow for considering of information and rewording of text – a quest for perfection which is hobbled by the spoken word?</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch.3 or ch.0


i don&#039;t understand why everyone has to see plans to understand a building.  when you ask people about their apartments, they tell you how one room is laid next to the other; if you ask them to draw the place, they will give a plan not an axon.  who gives which corner of the bedroom leads to the toilet?  are any of them actually cool to visit?   they never see it in plan; why don&#039;t they give you a sketch of the three generations of phone cables in their kitchen or the multiple shadows of their cat on the ceiling when the sun reflects from the tiled dome in the backyard?

the plan seems like a scheme that is organized around the value of land, not around the value of experience.  they don&#039;t want to see how it is to hang out in a an office, they only want to know how many desks can be crammed into a corner.  i would think that the average tenant would be more excited about the view over his light table than the efficient approach to his cubicle from the boss&#039;s corner office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch.3 or ch.0</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t understand why everyone has to see plans to understand a building.  when you ask people about their apartments, they tell you how one room is laid next to the other; if you ask them to draw the place, they will give a plan not an axon.  who gives which corner of the bedroom leads to the toilet?  are any of them actually cool to visit?   they never see it in plan; why don&#8217;t they give you a sketch of the three generations of phone cables in their kitchen or the multiple shadows of their cat on the ceiling when the sun reflects from the tiled dome in the backyard?</p>
<p>the plan seems like a scheme that is organized around the value of land, not around the value of experience.  they don&#8217;t want to see how it is to hang out in a an office, they only want to know how many desks can be crammed into a corner.  i would think that the average tenant would be more excited about the view over his light table than the efficient approach to his cubicle from the boss&#8217;s corner office.</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this sucks, yo.  i can&#039;t write fucking dialogue
&lt;em&gt;-...-&lt;/em&gt;
it&#039;s not my forte.  it&#039;s my greatest weakness - apart from design.
&lt;em&gt;-...-&lt;/em&gt;
even when i am transcribing an actual conversation, it sounds faked
&lt;em&gt;-that&#039;s because what you actually say doesn&#039;t sound like something someone would say.-&lt;/em&gt;
what are you talking about?
&lt;em&gt;-everything you say is dramatization of what you are thinking.-&lt;/em&gt;
i can only write tirades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this sucks, yo.  i can&#8217;t write fucking dialogue<br />
<em>-&#8230;-</em><br />
it&#8217;s not my forte.  it&#8217;s my greatest weakness &#8211; apart from design.<br />
<em>-&#8230;-</em><br />
even when i am transcribing an actual conversation, it sounds faked<br />
<em>-that&#8217;s because what you actually say doesn&#8217;t sound like something someone would say.-</em><br />
what are you talking about?<br />
<em>-everything you say is dramatization of what you are thinking.-</em><br />
i can only write tirades.</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch 2b.

i haven&#039;t looked at the requirements but i imagine that there is a list of plans and  site maps that they want to see.  i would rather send them images that convey only part of a story, the adjoining spaces of which they must fill in for themselves; did you see that image of jt&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sisyphean.com/work/roosevelt/blackbox&quot; &gt;blackbox&lt;/a&gt;?  there is a note on the drawing that says &#039;bottom of amphitheater&#039; or something.  to me that is the most compelling image that we&#039;ve got.  it is just a message about where the theater is, then you have to cross reference it with the theater image elsewhere to learn what is happening.  it&#039;s compelling because it stirs the imagination and demands the viewer to take part in the process of construction - more so than rendering that proves the donor wall is visible from the sidewalk to the parking lot.  since this project is a fantasy, there is an opportunity for any spectators&#039; opinion to become as &#039;real&#039; of a component of the project as any text or doodle by one of the workers. &lt;em&gt;-right-&lt;/em&gt;

if they force our hand by awarding us the contract to develop a set of cd&#039;s for them, then of course we will fill in those spaces; we wouldn&#039;t send them an email saying &#039;uh, don&#039;t y&#039;all think it would be cool to leave that area of the development unfinished and just see what happens there?&#039;  that is what we want to happen anyway, after it is built, but i  would never dream that rioc would be stoked about missing wall sections or squinches - assuming they even noticed such absences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch 2b.</p>
<p>i haven&#8217;t looked at the requirements but i imagine that there is a list of plans and  site maps that they want to see.  i would rather send them images that convey only part of a story, the adjoining spaces of which they must fill in for themselves; did you see that image of jt&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sisyphean.com/work/roosevelt/blackbox" >blackbox</a>?  there is a note on the drawing that says &#8216;bottom of amphitheater&#8217; or something.  to me that is the most compelling image that we&#8217;ve got.  it is just a message about where the theater is, then you have to cross reference it with the theater image elsewhere to learn what is happening.  it&#8217;s compelling because it stirs the imagination and demands the viewer to take part in the process of construction &#8211; more so than rendering that proves the donor wall is visible from the sidewalk to the parking lot.  since this project is a fantasy, there is an opportunity for any spectators&#8217; opinion to become as &#8216;real&#8217; of a component of the project as any text or doodle by one of the workers. <em>-right-</em></p>
<p>if they force our hand by awarding us the contract to develop a set of cd&#8217;s for them, then of course we will fill in those spaces; we wouldn&#8217;t send them an email saying &#8216;uh, don&#8217;t y&#8217;all think it would be cool to leave that area of the development unfinished and just see what happens there?&#8217;  that is what we want to happen anyway, after it is built, but i  would never dream that rioc would be stoked about missing wall sections or squinches &#8211; assuming they even noticed such absences.</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean, whatever we end up cooking up for this piece will undoubtedly be more important to us than it will ever be to rioc.  &lt;em&gt;-right-&lt;/em&gt;  i mean, they are going to look at it once and instantly discard the work; if this is going to be more valuable to the work.group than just an exercise in churning out a pretty corporate development, we will have to direct it towards our long term goals.  this may mean that rioc gets nothing but a &lt;acronym title=&quot;situation report&quot;&gt;sitrep&lt;/acronym&gt; on a project that lives past their deadline...

i doubt they are going to build this shit anyway.  when i was searching for maps and images online, i found a dozen other projects, each a few years apart, all for the same area and all for the same program.  they haven&#039;t built any of those yet.  they are just fishing for ideas so they have something to convince real estate developers that building in southpoint is a viable investment of their cash.  those developers will of course arrive with their own readymade design, which may crib a few attributes from the competition proposals.  for an example of this see the world trade center site or that camino nuevo design that daly, genik stole from 3wg...have you seen that new york times link?  that is the shit they are looking for.  i don&#039;t fear that we could come up with something like that even if we were trying and had jean wu on our team.  so i am pretty sure that we aren&#039;t going to have to open an office in new york in 3 months...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean, whatever we end up cooking up for this piece will undoubtedly be more important to us than it will ever be to rioc.  <em>-right-</em>  i mean, they are going to look at it once and instantly discard the work; if this is going to be more valuable to the work.group than just an exercise in churning out a pretty corporate development, we will have to direct it towards our long term goals.  this may mean that rioc gets nothing but a <acronym title="situation report">sitrep</acronym> on a project that lives past their deadline&#8230;</p>
<p>i doubt they are going to build this shit anyway.  when i was searching for maps and images online, i found a dozen other projects, each a few years apart, all for the same area and all for the same program.  they haven&#8217;t built any of those yet.  they are just fishing for ideas so they have something to convince real estate developers that building in southpoint is a viable investment of their cash.  those developers will of course arrive with their own readymade design, which may crib a few attributes from the competition proposals.  for an example of this see the world trade center site or that camino nuevo design that daly, genik stole from 3wg&#8230;have you seen that new york times link?  that is the shit they are looking for.  i don&#8217;t fear that we could come up with something like that even if we were trying and had jean wu on our team.  so i am pretty sure that we aren&#8217;t going to have to open an office in new york in 3 months&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch. 1b:
at best, whatever we handing into rioc will double as an aspect of the universe which we are building.  there is already part of the story that takes place on new york, you know, it starts when manhattan secedes.  it would be cool to include the site on roosevelt as a chapter in marquis; we might not tell rioc that our proposal for them is meant to be the inhabited wreckage of their program in the future.  considering that we have knowledge of new york&#039;s future, do we need to forecast what will take place at southpoint, then build accordingly?  or do we again place ourselves in 2035 and document how the inhabs engaged what they inherited on roosevelt island, then preempt that wreckage by providing for it now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch. 1b:<br />
at best, whatever we handing into rioc will double as an aspect of the universe which we are building.  there is already part of the story that takes place on new york, you know, it starts when manhattan secedes.  it would be cool to include the site on roosevelt as a chapter in marquis; we might not tell rioc that our proposal for them is meant to be the inhabited wreckage of their program in the future.  considering that we have knowledge of new york&#8217;s future, do we need to forecast what will take place at southpoint, then build accordingly?  or do we again place ourselves in 2035 and document how the inhabs engaged what they inherited on roosevelt island, then preempt that wreckage by providing for it now?</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ch 1a:

i am having a hard time staying focused on this project. &lt;em&gt;-roosevelt?-&lt;/em&gt;  yes.  it might be more interesting if the program was more limited, like if it was just a museum about the development of the island or the history of the hospital, some concept that includes the individuality of that area.  Instead they just want to pack in a shopping list of elements that will be appealing to investors. &lt;em&gt;-right-&lt;/em&gt;  I mean we could crank out something [fingers quotation marks] cool that would please them.  Any monkey can throw together a suitable building – how hard is that?  even we could do that, in the sense that we would break off some sexy renderings or views that dozens of other entrants will have, but that would serve little purpose towards meeting the goals of the work.group, by which i mean it would not add anything meaningful to the ongoing project...of the work.group.  It would be preferable to have something which we could fold into marquis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ch 1a:</p>
<p>i am having a hard time staying focused on this project. <em>-roosevelt?-</em>  yes.  it might be more interesting if the program was more limited, like if it was just a museum about the development of the island or the history of the hospital, some concept that includes the individuality of that area.  Instead they just want to pack in a shopping list of elements that will be appealing to investors. <em>-right-</em>  I mean we could crank out something [fingers quotation marks] cool that would please them.  Any monkey can throw together a suitable building – how hard is that?  even we could do that, in the sense that we would break off some sexy renderings or views that dozens of other entrants will have, but that would serve little purpose towards meeting the goals of the work.group, by which i mean it would not add anything meaningful to the ongoing project&#8230;of the work.group.  It would be preferable to have something which we could fold into marquis.</p>
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