my thought it is that we could either divide up these images, or each take all of them, printed on some arches as a base, and operate, providing depth, hiding places, tunnels, new views, destruction, copulation, inferno, tenebre, knived fingers, grottos, richness, darkness, blinding light, black gloved garroting, serpent handling, arcades, terraced farming, isolation cells, and landslides. This exhibition seems to be about lifestyle change. Other than making Glenwood Avenue not a 4 lane road with no sidewalks, I dont think I have any ideas other than trying to give people more fanciful, personal, stimulating spaces that dont patronize them, underestimate them, subdue them, and keep them safe.
jt:do you see any merit in the notion of an atlstn exquisite corpse as i mentioned?
am:i missed that? am planning to do this. are we supposed to swap our images after each move, like those collaborative horror stories in elementary school?
jt:i dont think so, my thought was that we would each have a level to operate on, and then it would get stacked up like an exquisite corpse, head, body, legs, the question is, do the base formats need to be the same? same printing style, same base paper, etc? i originally thought we could each do all 3 views and then either put up all 9 drawings, or combine them somehow into 3
am:the idea that we each produce three boards seems ambitious? maybe?; i imagine that combining them would result in showing your head, thorax, and abdomen.. i guess the idea of swapping boards, rather than each producing 3 and picking elements to combine (3 heads -> 1), is rendered impossible by the time available? could each of us produce a fragment that the others have to include? if i get the abdomen/parking deck, then you and gray each give me a fragment to incorporate into my ‘drawing’, and i do the same for your head and gray’s thorax? regardless of ‘base formats’, do these things have to ‘line up’ as a dwg, or are the individual vignettes?
jt:i like the idea of the forwarded fragment, that could be mailed or uploaded easier than a full drawing, also, i dont think they necessarily need to line up, my vision was that they were on similar paper and had similar underlay content (faded halftone), but that is not necessary, i do think they should line up vertically as they were photographed from the same latitude/longitude just in different elevations
am:i’m down w/ them all being printed/collaged on the same material; by base format, i thought you meant we start from hand dwgs, digital files, oils, etc…. the three boards which ‘should line up vertically’ are on a base of three different ‘photos’, is that correct….. are our interventions allowed to be, um, ‘surreal’?, or are they still supposed to look like something that’s been photographed?
jt:i was going to hand draw over them, so they were not going to be photoreal, more like section perspective, i have the photos essentially picked, i wanted to tool them a bit, but maybe you will see what i mean about stacking them, i should make a deadline for myself of getting these things on paper to give to you and grey by the end of the week…
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am:so, should i pick one of these photos to use? i am really turned off by those images; that place obviously sux!
jt:feel free to stake a claim on one, as this is a private dialogue grey will not be able to balk
am:riddle me this; are the two top images supposed to correlate? ie, if grey puts one of his turtles on the z gallerie in his top, do i need to do the same for the middle image? if so, i’ll take the parking deck!
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a draft of the corpse. head, thorax, abdomen. any thoughts, or suggestions. do you see yourselves being able to operate on these potentially? i thought perhaps the printing method for the photo part would subdue the photographic quality, perhaps through a faded halftone/dotmatrix filter.
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i reckon this is a draft of an aesthetic for the underlay (exemplified in the thorax vignette).
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i’m not sure why there are pubic hairs on the black and white images. i am not compelled by any of the three colour images posted above. is it the framing of the shot, or is it the space itself i would like to avoid? do our images need to form a corpse? the throax looks fine to me (once ‘atlantic station’ sign is removed); maybe we should all stay ‘above ground. vignettes could be tooled in a manner similar to jt’s roosevelt set.
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please refer me to the precedent that i produced, i cannot recall it.
easy on the pubic hair references, clarence thomas!
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i remember those. they are actually cooler than i remembered. i think i was going to develop something that i guess is akin to those over the photograph.
i dont suppose the photos need to have the pubic hair aesthetic, although i was enjoying it. also, perhaps i should not be responsible for meting out content for you all to operate on? that is fine with me. if that is the case, i am probably going to work on the above 3 images. there are certainly a wealth more of them. also, i would not be opposed to you (ashley) continuing to work in the method that you are currently working if you are enjoying it. i certainly would not be opposed to that.
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grayhow did the thorax end up being the brightest and most inviting of those environments? i don’t remember it being that way. maybe the Moes should be moved below ground.
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i think it has to do with the light coming down into what is conventionally an unpleasant space, this being no exception. the light seems to indicate that you are on the threshold of something better which awaits you at the top of the escalator. the ‘head’ photo shows that this is not the case. perhaps the best part about atlstn is that there are a lot of situations that set you up to get excited about the potential of things. the unfortunate part of atlstn is that it never delivers.
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so you’ve never had a moes burrito? cause they deliver every time.
by the by, my home computer is down and out, hence the lack of witty commentary as exhibited above…but i’m in the process of having that fixed, and then i will be up and running again.
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no more discussion on final deliverable format?
it seems to me that saucemaster is working towards a certain end with his anatomical over(under?)lays, kron is working towards a different end with his exquisite corpse, and beez is not working at all. the challenge is integrating the two, and eventually three approaches into a singular vision.
in my mind the three boards approach can still work, but is the corpse too limiting for something as large as atlstn?
kron, do those three images synthesize all of your feelings on atlstn after our recon trip? do you feel that anything is being left out (housing, detention pond, syringes, ikea, yellow bridges, EIFS) that those images does not address?
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i think the deliverable format could be very diverse. for instance, i will focus on the stacked vignettes, ashley focuses on his hawaiian muscle interchange, and gray digs into a breadth of quirky spaces. so what if that means we have 3 drawings on watercolor paper, 5 glossy printouts, and 20 colored pencil drawings on notebook paper. we continue, while we are constructing the materials, to take stands about the place, or about a desires for ‘a place’. i dont have an inclination for what form the ruminations take place, they could be in the form of creative titles for drawings or a collection of cl rants and raves.
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i think i was going to develop something that i guess is akin to those over the photograph….. also, i would not be opposed to you (ashley) continuing to work in the method that you are currently working if you are enjoying it. i certainly would not be opposed to that.
i don’t know which pix to use, yet, but i can go along with your advised(?) development of such vignettes laid over the photos. my intention there is not to paste an image of a ‘proposal’ for built work, but rather an image where layers are peeled back to reveal some glimpses of ‘elseworlds’, possibly installations by stn.inhabs or mere, ummm, glitches. in the urban continuum.
none of the medical texts from which i’ve been stealing have the proper image which i have in mind, of skin being invisible to reveal innards, and i don’t have a copy of ‘they live’, but here is an image from ‘the time machine’ (guy pearce version) and ‘the conversation’. maybe jt can also post some images of his ‘torn italian movie poster series’; i can’t find any on his site.
–MIDTOWN REX HAS SPAKE!!
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oops, here is the shit:
‘possibly installations by stn.inhabs or mere, ummm, glitches. in the urban continuum…these could be represented by drawings, photos of phladelphia and paris, collages, images from mass media, other forms of hackery’
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also, i don’t know if that image from ‘the time machine’ is appropriate, since it isn’t exactly a singular view of non-simultaneous situations, but it is the scene where h.g.wells notices the rising hemlines of the skirts in the store across the street.
i just watched ‘contact’, which sucked, but the image at end when jodie foster is able to see though the surface of the capsule seems similar… star trek films might have something akin to this. i am sure that hundreds of scifi pieces have used this device; why can’t i recall one!
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why can’t i recall one!
the aliens in ‘slaughterhouse five’ are able to see all points in time at once; to hear kvonnegut tell it, they don’t see someone walking across the room on two legs – they see them at all points in the room simultaneously, forever.
if you imagine ‘moe’s’ as a wormhole to manhattanville, then draw it, my meager contribution is done.
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the only part of ‘contact’ that is good is when tskerrit’s shit gets wrecked.
i might also refer you to perec’s inspiration for ‘life: a user’s manual’ of a paris apartment building with the facade taken off.
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the only part i recall from that book is the tralfamadorians’ description of what it is like to see through the eyes of a human. it was something about having one eye shut, on the other eye is a long pipe that you see through, your head is immobilized so that you cannot look around, you are strapped on your back and only able to look up at the sky, and you are on a flatbed train car moving down the tracks. that might explain why all i can do is the above 3 images.
i support your wormhole investigations.
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corpse underlay update. i will be printing this weekend. i am still not sure if we have established if anyone else wants to have one of these. i am happy to plot all 3 for everyone or just copies for myself to work on and possibly introduce fragments to as i am directed. i am at your service.
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it seems to me that there are three individual projects taking shape, each with a ‘project manager’ which will then be subjected to the forwarded fragments of the other wrkrs.
finding a way to present these in a semi-coherent fashion would be the next challenge, and something better saved for another day.
i plan to have my computer back in the game after this weekend (pending a “t drive dismount”…whatever the fukk that is and ceiling fan/wiring obligations), so my contributions will leap like lightning bolts from zues’ brow.
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jt is sending mixed messages! sometimes we are each working on one image/board that will be lined up as a corpse; then we are all working on the same three images, then we are each working on whatever (1? or 3?) images we want. jt apparently is working on the above three images no matter what… i guess that means the rest of us need to have 3 images?
perhaps if jt tells us what size each board needs to be, we can each choose our three, tone them as jt has done, and inform the other workers of the images so they can think about the fragments they may want to insert. we can set a deadline for the sharing of this imformation – perhaps within the week?
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i believe that grae is more on board with what my understanding about the work is. I felt, after you dismissed my images, that you were going to design your own approach, which you already have been doing, and that grae was going to work on a body of work he felt to be pertinent. i dont think that because i am working on this format that all three of us need to align:
we have 3 drawings on watercolor paper, 5 glossy printouts, and 20 colored pencil drawings on notebook paper. we continue, while we are constructing the materials, to take stands about the place, or about a desires for ‘a place’.
i was just posting those images in this thread because that is where they belong. perhaps i will be their ‘project manager’ and you and grae can continue to work on other distinct items that will receive the ridicule and incursion of the other workers. i would not push for an aesthetic alignment on your investigations as you mentioned above.
just tell us what you want to do.
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i saw that: ‘we have 3 drawings on watercolor paper, 5 glossy printouts, and 20 colored pencil drawings on notebook paper. we continue…’, but when you later hinted that we might want some printouts of your three images, i saw a mixed message!
just tell us what you want to do.
i guess i’ve been doing what i want to do; in the future, what i want to do is to ‘choose our three [images], tone them as jt has done, and inform the other workers of the images so they can think about the fragments they may want to insert.’
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i only offered you all the images so you didnt think i was taking my ball and going home. i assumed you still thought the aesthetic was retarded. i would not be offended if you wanted to ‘tone’ your pictures however you want.
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at some point i would like to know what filter(s) you are using to achieve the base images.
my home computer is still in the shitter, which could signal a shift to a more archaic proto-digital approach to final graphics.
i will try to have some rough imagery for critique by the end of this week. predicated on a smooth install of two ceiling fans on my front porch and a new wall switch, so as not to eat all my spare time. or electrocute me.
currently listening to Graveland.
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can you just post pix of your home renovations?
i only used one filter per se, the halftone filter. the rest was acheived using grungy eraser brushes and grungy paint brushes and some pencil for the pubic hairs… i dont think you necessarily need to try to emulate what i have. i am not sure if we still plan to layer these things together manually on the wall, which would probably benefit from diverse media, or whether they will stand alone as a suite of investigations, which would also benefit from diversity, perhaps.
have you had any predilections for what types of drawings you might want to do, grhae? plans? sections? vignettes? diagrams? historical collages?
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is it too late to request of the gallery, two speakers, and a cd player?
sonn av krusher is currently working out a fairly disturbing companion piece to be played on a loop with out visuals.
ideally, the speakers and player would be hidden from view, somehow recessed into the wall and covered with a visual.
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presently: 1 more solid night and 2 or 3 more leviathan demos away from finishing graphite linework.
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i don’t know where these go, so i’ll put them under ‘the corpse’. i hope the halftone tolerance is proper (2); i haven’t rubbed graphite on them or used the ‘dust and scratches’ filter.
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does graeh still work here?
i did not use dust/scratches! i used a grungy eraser and drew the pubes with the pencil tool.
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i reckon i will smudge the pix after i have finished drawing lines on them, probably w/o the hairs (can you just send a layer of hairlines to me?). after that: lens flare.
i think gray is going to play us a song at the opening; that is what he’s working on tonight?
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gray no longer has a home computer which puts a real damper on production.
gray will rise like the phoenix shortly with a new and more brutal home computer.
please don’t doubt gray.
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gray no longer has a home computer which puts a real damper on production.
for what do you need a computer?
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these are fun.
i think i will be making a new post with ‘my’ images lined up, since the titles of these posts seem irrelevant to the content, and there are 40+ comments in this post; as a result, things seem scattered to me.
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in the interest of presenting a cohesive exhibit, and formating it in a way that all of us can be happy(?) about, may i suggest a change in tact in our approach?
i think we could marry the past successes of the marquis presentation, with the untested style of the “flyer wall” (for lack of a better term), by combining the two, with the wall being a prominent historical piece of debris salvaged from the gutted husk of a long vacant and abandoned z gallerie. the wall could be presented within the context of an historcal account of the successes and failures of atl.stn. as a ready-made city neighborhood.
that way we could present a retropective of atl.stn via historical artifacts and wrk.grp analysis.
if i can manage the ftp site, i could upload a sketch of the exhibit.
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having difficulty grappling with computer illiteracy. i tried uploading image but image is screwed. is there a certain protocol for loading pictures into gallery folders?
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images for this project would go into the:
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did you put it in there? what is the image called?
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man… i just don’t think we have the time, resources, or products to compose something so elaborate. i think we will have enough for one shot.
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i think the graphics are taking care of themselves, and we will have plenty to fill out that amount of space.
the construction of the wall was something that i imagined we were going to do anyway right? and realistically, it’s a plywood sheet framed out with 1″x4″s for stability. the display case is the x factor…does ikea sell display cases? is there one left over from marquis, or are those sealed for posterity?
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i personally think such a broad presentation would be spread very thin and i would like to see materials consolidated into one arena, whether it be the wall fragment(s) or something else; also i am not comfortable with reusing marquis boxes i dont think.
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let’s see that sketch that jt presented to ed.
i also believe that a box is unnecessary; since we don’t have any work to put in there, we should spend our efforts, umm, ‘consolidating’ materials where we can.
the marquis box was for marquis; if we do need a box, then i am ok with having jt build new ones. i don’t think the marquis box should be used until we have a show that is about the marquis show, in which case, the marquis box will be housed in a display case that is built for that purpose.
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currently taking staged photos of myself inking the fill boulders and listening to the shoegaze stylings of the emerald down.
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here is the fully inked set of drawings. application of scalies and gemslugs will commence
here is a suggested cropping of the above series. i would like to know the projected size of grei and ashley’s signature drawings by the end of the day tomorrow so i can begin constructing the wall fragment to size.
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i plan on working on 12″x18″, but those can be scaled up or down as needed if that is determined to be too large or too small.
i have to go to acapulco today for work. it is as ridiculous as it sounds. ole!
any recommendations for a place to eat in mexico city?
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because i started before you.
started what before me? moda? that is demonstrably false; this masterpiece was posted before you’d even reconn’d atl.stn. but i guess you could have done this at any time in your life, and just waited 3 weeks to share it w/ the rest of us.
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any recommendations for a place to eat in mexico city?
am i too late to say norm’s?
or that place i took that skinny girl who wasn’t grace lau?
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catherine? katherine? chen?
were they verified as fake (pun intended!)? i never found a way to ask. i think she had braces.
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if you need some design schemes for your mexico projekt, i think jt has a tight sketch of an amardillo wearing a sombrero.
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i don’t remember his name; i am thinking of the guy w/ the pompadour and the nice gf – the guy who was grilling me about my thesis at the xmas party when you were trying to sneak sips of laurel’s wine.
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pompadour? david was grilling you about whether you found my progression into the professional realm stimulating. click the above link to see his firm as well.
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